chirpingtiger:

valkyrielesbian:

saltyrogers:

valkyrielesbian:

Steve: we don’t trade lives uwu

Steve: unless it’s hundreds of black people I don’t know lol go die for a microwave

lmao you really wanna woobify t’challa and the wakandans to justify your shitty and thoughtless hc don’t you??

???? Steve said he doesn’t want vision to die just because they needed to destroy the stone, so he proceeded to let hundreds (if not thousands) of Wakandans die just because they needed to destroy the stone. How is this a headcanon?

@valkyrielesbian​

It’s a little bit presumptuous to say that Steve “allowed” Wakandans to die, as if they had no choice in the matter and were merely pawns wandering around the battlefield wherever Steve pointed his finger and told them to march.

In fact, we are explicitly shown King T’Challa telling everyone to clear the city and prepare their defenses. It’s in almost every Infinity War trailer.

It was a damn meme on this hellsite for about three months.

If anything, T’Challa is calling the shots in this scene (“Get this man a shield”) and Steve is willingly taking orders – deferring to T’Challa because it is his country that they are in and they don’t need two people contesting for the spot of leader during a battle.

(Team Space, take notes.)

Steve had nothing to do with this decision to engage Thanos.

That aside, there are a couple issues with interpreting what happened the way you are, so I’m going to address a few of the points that strike me the most.

The first is that you are completely disregarding the fact that Steve explicitly asked T’Challa if anyone in Wakanda could help Vision.

This was not some mandate or order – this was a plea for help from one friend to another. T’Challa and his people could have refused this at any time.

Instead they chose to help.

The second fact that you are completely disregarding is that T’Challa did not have to keep Vision in Wakanda. He could have decided to come to the Avengers compound. He could have sent them off into the forest. He could have brought Shuri to meet them just about anywhere in the world. But they chose to stay in Wakanda because they had the best defenses, and by the time they found out that Thanos was on his way, it was too late for them to do anything besides try to hold him off.

(Too bad someone didn’t call the others to warn them about Thanos like five minutes sooner. Shuri would have had the little bit of extra time she needed to get that stone out.)

The third (and probably the most offensive) point that you are ignoring is that this is the first time in a superhero movie where the civilian population is allowed to stand up and fight instead of running, hiding, and cowering – waiting for some hero to come save them.

Everywhere else where there has been a near world-ending attack, the only people who have ever stopped to fight back have been the heroes.

Wakanda is the first place where the citizens have been shown taking up arms to actually fight for the lives of their loved ones and the fate of their planet.

This is the first time that the random background populous of a fight scene has been given anything more than a cardboard cutout role of running away and screaming.

The fact that half of Wakanda was willing to pick up their weapons and stand against Thanos instead of simply evacuating when T’Challa clears the city speaks volumes toward the attitude and bravery of the people there.

They are courageous. They are warriors. They will never back down in the face of oppression, or flee because it is the easiest option. They would rather stand and fight to the death than run away and live.

If they are going to die, it is going to be on their terms.

For once, instead of seeing an alien attack resulting in a number of helpless, screaming civilians being killed off, we actually get to see people fighting back and kicking some serious ass while doing it.

And then here you come, willing to completely erase all of this, as well as take away any agency or decision making ability that the Wakandans have as characters, just so you can use them to try and make a tasteless jab at Steve?

Not going to lie, that’s really freaking shallow.

Another major point that you’re ignoring is that they did not know for sure that Wanda could destroy the stone. Vision suspected that she might be able to destroy it due to her sheer power level and the connection she had with it; however, for all they knew it was going to react just like the Aether did in Thor 2, and reassemble itself once she had “destroyed” it – essentially killing Vision for nothing.

Vision is also one of the heaviest hitters on the Avengers roster. Why on Earth would you kill one of your strongest fighters right before facing off against a mad Titan with a gauntlet full of Infinity Stones?

On top of that, why would you emotionally compromised your most powerful fighter and biggest wildcard by forcing her to kill the man she loves (and one of the few people she has left) right before facing off against the same evil?

Tactically, it makes absolutely no sense to kill Vision.

Even if we completely ignore any moral dilemma of whether or not he is human enough for the stans to consider him something other than a disposable machine, there is still no point in destroying Vision on the vague whim that they might be able to destroy the stone.

As we saw in the film, even when Wanda does manage to destroy the mind stone, it doesn’t matter.

Because as soon as Thanos gets a hold of the time gem – which Tony conveniently delivers right to him – nothing that anyone else does or has done even matters. Thanos can simply reverse it.

The only thing they’ve done by killing Vision immediately is caused Thanos an extra minute or two of inconvenience before he restores the Mind Stone and kills half of everyone in the universe.

Not only is killing Vision cruel and absolutely unnecessary, but it would have absolutely no effect on the final outcome, even if they succeeded.

Their best bet was separating Vision from the stone, destroying the stone to keep Thanos from gaining any more power, and then letting Vision and Wanda face off against Thanos as a pair.

There’s a very good chance that Thanos would have lost that fight, five infinity stones or not.

The biggest problem with this argument, however, is that Thanos’ minions aren’t necessarily going to throw
their hands up in defeat the minute that the mind stone shatters, pack
back up into their little space ships, and go home empty handed just like that.

They’re
here to do what they’ve done on literally every other planet that Thanos
has sent them to – they’re here to wipe out half of the population.

Even if Thanos fails to get the mind stone – hell, even if he fails to get ANY of the stones – there is nothing stopping him from continuing to “balance” the universe in the old fashioned way.

Thanos is still going to kill half of all life on Earth unless his army is physically and permanently stopped.

Yeah.

Most people kinda forgot that detail.

Thanos
really only wants the stones because they make wiping out half the
universe quick, easy, and relatively painless by comparison. Otherwise he is
going to be stuck going planet by planet and slaughtering half the
population by hand, just like he’s been doing for the past few decades up until now.

Regardless of when Wanda
destroyed the mind stone, Thanos was still coming for Earth. He was
still going to try to kill half of all life on the planet (including half of all life in Wakanda) and they were
still going to have to face off against him to try to prevent that.

(Especially because Earth slighted him the last time he sent his army in to wipe half the population, so now it’s standing as insult to him.)

And afterward, he was still going to move on to the next planet, and continue on that way until something or someone finally killed him.

Trying
to save Vision wasn’t condemning people to die – it was choosing to spare Vision’s life and bring another fighter to the battle to take out Thanos for good, instead of possibly gaining the few extra minutes of time they might have had before Thanos pulled the exact same Time Stone bullshit he did in the movie, and Snapped half the universe to dust.

The only reason you Tony stans are so desperate for them to have killed Vision right off the bat is so you could use the opportunity to villanize them for murdering a teammate instead of looking into other options.

Honestly, no matter what choice was made here you were still going to condemn them for it, so why bother pretending like you somehow care about the ”hundreds of black people who died” as anything more than a convenient justification for you to post hate about Steve?